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Longasc · Jul 03, 2007, 10:36 AM // 10:36

ANet set the price for GWEN.

If you think it is too high, too low, or appropriate - that is quite subjective.

ANet's rationale for including no char slots was that you do not get any new char classes in GWEN.

We were always lower on slots than on char classes! And THIS was a conscious choice of ANet. If you want more, you have to pay extra. Either buy the game again or buy a char slot. I never liked that, but this is how it is!!!

Feel free to campaign for char slots in GWEN, I personally see no real reason and have little hope for this to happen.

Tijger · Jul 03, 2007, 10:57 AM // 10:57

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

You forget that while it being an expansion, the content offered will be way smaller then any chapter. So I reckon for my 35 euro's (39$) 1 extra char slot is not to much to ask. Btw Anet hello nobody in europe uses visa. Get a better payment system for europe plz. K thx bye

Umm...I have Visa, my wife has Visa..a lot of people in Europe have Visa, in fact the majority of credit cards in Europe are Visa, kthxbye!

Lonesamurai · Jul 03, 2007, 11:04 AM // 11:04

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Originally Posted by countesscorpula

The other two instalments came with 4 characters slots as standalones, or 2 character slots if linked to an existing game. A character slot costs $10. The games were $49 when released. So logically broken down that's $30 for the game and $20 for the slots. This new one cuts out two character slots ($20 value), but only cuts the price by $10. I'm probably not speaking just for myself when i say, there had best be a truly impressive amount of content in order to make up for that other $10. At 25% of the games price, I'll expect 25% more content to play through.

Wrong...

this was cleared up by jeff Strain a little while back when factions ws released

having an account = 2 slots
adding prophecies = 2 slots
adding factions = 2 slots
adding nightfall = 2 slots
adding Nightfall prerelease = 1 slot

total slots = 9

DFrost · Jul 03, 2007, 11:09 AM // 11:09

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

Btw Anet hello nobody in europe uses visa. Get a better payment system for europe plz. K thx bye

That's nonsense. Last time I checked Visa had around 75% market share in Europe, in United States it's a bit over 50%

mr_groovy · Jul 03, 2007, 11:10 AM // 11:10

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Originally Posted by DFrost

That's nonsense. Last time I checked Visa had around 75% market share in Europe, in United States it's a bit over 50%

Well i can tell you for holland it's not commonly used

Lonesamurai · Jul 03, 2007, 11:12 AM // 11:12

Oh and for those whining about ANet not having the money to last before GW2 release... thats total bunk

ANet is a wholly owned (and subsided) part of NCSoft. All ANet coinage comes from NCSoft and all games sales and ingame store sales revenue goes to NCSoft, NOT ANet

yishin · Jul 03, 2007, 11:42 AM // 11:42

I've read it's gonna be 40 US dollars i US, I don't know how much it will be in Europe, but it seems the price of a whole new game not an expansion. Looking at the content it seems to be a huge content, PVE wise.

I'm purely playing PVE, but I wonder whether PVP players will be expected to pay this much (I suppose they don't have a choice). You need to buy this expansion for the skills I think and probably new arenas. But I think if I only play PVP I will feel "cheated", dunno if thats the correct word. But you only need skills in PVP and it's much less than what you got in the previous campaigns.

EDIT: I just read it again. "100 new profession-specific skills". I know I shouldn't post whenever I just woke up or I am a bit disappointed.

EDIT 2: profession-specific. Does this mean they get 10 new skills per profession. If that's the case then they get only about 1/3 of a campaign. I know I shouldn't post whenever I just woke up or I am a bit disappointed. I need more sleep

With the new tournament reward system in PVP where you can trade those points for PVE existing skins, ANet is kinda forcing PVP players to keep 1 slot for a certain profession instead of rerolling when another profession is needed. When you reroll your character in PVP you will lose the new skins you have unlocked.

It seems only fair at least for them to get a better deal. I dunno what the PVP community would rather want, but I suggest an extra slot would feed the "hungry" mass. With that extra slot you will give 10 slots in total if you own all existing campaigns (if you bought the NF pre-release.

Kinn · Jul 03, 2007, 11:53 AM // 11:53

It makes me laugh that there are people with all character slots full, who post on a GW forum, claiming that they are debating whether or not to buy a new GW expansion.

I mean really. You've probably already got a copy preordered, plus a backup copy in case the first one gets delayed in the post.

pamelf · Jul 03, 2007, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by Razorwood

If you can't keep yourself interested maybe GW isn't the game for you? And what about collecting titles?

As for rewards, mini pets? They're a reward for having a character for 1 year intervals.

Also what about the weekly "events" you may not like all of them (I doubt anyone does), but at least they happen. Then there is also the bigger events, holidays, etc.

Also Anet allow you to play on there server free of charge, i'd say that is reward enough.

Before anyone comes along and says "GW isn't free we paid for it" I never said it was I said playing on there server is free NOT the game it's self. Paying for a game does not entitle you to online play, just look at all the offline only games that cost the same as GW.

Do you honestly think you are championing Anet's cause with your comments? Telling the players to go play something else is perhaps not the best way to actually keep GW IN BUSINESS!

I am not at the moment bored of GW, but I will be if I'm not given the opportunities to start new characters for 2 years. I hate collecting titles, it's just grind that actually doesn't give me any sense of satisfaction, and I don't like grind. Which is why I want more character slots so I can play the storyline again, which is enjoyable and will STOP me turning to another game.

Seriously, is everyone forgetting the fact that this is a business venture? You all make it sound like Anet and NCsoft are doing us some sort of favour in not charging us monthly fees. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the fact that they have chosen to charge us for the campaigns rather than charge us by the month for the online play, but the fact still remains that they are a business that relies on the goodwill and happiness of their customers. The entire point of this thread is to let Anet know what will make us happy and what will keep us playing, which will keep THEM in business.

If we all stopped playing as you so stupidly suggested you wouldn't have a game left to play. I don't want 2 years of grind, but I do want two years of developing more characters, and that WILL keep me interested, and keep me playing the game, which will keep YOU playing the game.

Ninna · Jul 03, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by DirtyDirty

So far; what's the most # of slots you can possibly have anyway?

http://www.guildwars.com/support/faq/nightfall-faq.php

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Players may also purchase up to 26 character slots in the Guild Wars Official Store for $9.99 per slot

I already had 16 char slots - just bought 3 more

cant wait for GW:EN

cthulhu reborn · Jul 03, 2007, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Nag nag nag...

Anet has to speak in terms of SRP (Suggested Retail Price) anyway. In Europe they sell it in EURO's and already sites like play.com are offering it for 28 EURO instead of 39.95...

As for Holland (I am Dutch myself), I use a Master Card and that works fine also...so I don't see the point of the Visa discussion.

The calculations like 50 bucks is 30 for content and 10 each for the char slots are hilarious...even aside from the fact that the first one you buy gives you 4 they are completely silly.

From what I can read in interviews it sounds like GW:EN has a lot more content than the campaigns till now. I'm convincend they spent at least as much time effort and other resources into this game as the previous ones.

And how could you judge the value of the content without knowing it anyway? We don't know the half of what is coming and even that sounds promising. No, I am looking forward to it and I will gladly pay the price set for it.

WarKaster · Jul 03, 2007, 03:56 PM // 15:56

i just can't believe people are already complaining about a game that hasn't even been released yet...........oh wait yes I can *remembers all the I hate GW2 threads*

Mordakai · Jul 03, 2007, 03:56 PM // 15:56

One could argue price of slots w/ game = $5 (based on Nightfall pre-release).

Still, what do most new games cost now? Between $50-$60.

GWEN will cost $40. It is cheaper than other games out there.

As for the number of skills and new armor sets: How many skills does the average person pick up in each Chapter? How many pieces of armor?

I think my average is 2 new skills (discounting new Profs) and one new set of armor per established Character. So, having 40 new sets of armor, and 100 new skills does not matter much to me.

I'm paying for the new areas to explore, and to see the new races, and to (hopefully) tie up some loose ends. I understand if for some people that's not worth $40. For me, it is.

EDIT: Also, I don't need new heroes, but I can't wait until I get a Dwarf, Asura and Norn (drool!) Hero.

murtagh deadmoon · Jul 03, 2007, 04:05 PM // 16:05

There are no new classes so therefore no need for new character slots, because character slots don't relate to the expansion until you've gotten to lvl 20/beaten another campaign with them. It'd just delay your playing experience to use them anyway? Buy GW:EN play GW:EN not start nf, proph, factions again with another new slot.

Razorwood · Jul 04, 2007, 08:11 AM // 08:11

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Originally Posted by pamelf

Do you honestly think you are championing Anet's cause with your comments? Telling the players to go play something else is perhaps not the best way to actually keep GW IN BUSINESS!

I never said you should play something else, I just said maybe GW isn't the right game for you. There's a difference. Also if you did stop playing GW surely that would help Anet / NCsoft? I mean they already HAVE your money and unless you use the online shop (And it sounds like you don't plan to) they aren't making any additional money from you. Unless you do of course buy Gw:En. If you stop playing that is less server load for them to manage.

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Originally Posted by pamelf

I am not at the moment bored of GW, but I will be if I'm not given the opportunities to start new characters for 2 years.

You do, it's called the online store, if you don't want to use it that's your choice. (Unless you can't use it for some reason but that's a different story).

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Originally Posted by pamelf

Seriously, is everyone forgetting the fact that this is a business venture? You all make it sound like Anet and NCsoft are doing us some sort of favour in not charging us monthly fees.

Yes it is a business venture and as I mentioned if you don't use the online store / buy new campaigns or expansions then they already have all the money from you that they are likely to get. So if they have all your money already why would they care if you go to a new game?

They are doing us a favour by not having a fee to play online, it's the business model they decided to use, but as you know they then rely on selling campaigns / expansions / character slots, etc to make money. Hence the reason they won't just GIVE you slots without a valid reason.

You mention it's a business and like any business they need to make money, now the average GW player probably has all 3 games so far and is probably going to buy Gw:En. If they do that the only way Anet / NCsoft can make money from that player for the next 2 years is the online store, and what is you average player most likely to buy? Character slots, so how does giving them away with an expansion that doesn't require them make any sense?

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Originally Posted by pamelf

The entire point of this thread is to let Anet know what will make us happy and what will keep us playing, which will keep THEM in business.

For the reasons I stated you continuing to play will only help keep them in business if you actually buy further products from them after you buy the one off purchases, like the games and Gw:En.

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Originally Posted by pamelf

If we all stopped playing as you so stupidly suggested you wouldn't have a game left to play. I don't want 2 years of grind, but I do want two years of developing more characters, and that WILL keep me interested, and keep me playing the game, which will keep YOU playing the game.

I fail to see how you playing the game will keep me playing? As far as i'm aware i've never played with you and you've never impacted at all on me.

And I never said everyone should stop playing I said maybe GW isn't the right game for YOU, I never brought anyone else into it.

So you want 2 years of developing a character? If you don't want to grind for titles you could easily beat all 3 current games in less than 1 month. I'm guessing that's what you mean by develop since there's not much else you can do that doesn't involve collecting titles.

So lets say it takes 1 month to beat all 3 games (I know it can be done faster but I don't know how much you play). I'm going to guess 1 month to beat Gw:En.

So that is roughly 2 months to "develop" a character, that would mean to fill in 24 months you'd need 12 more slots, give or take. And you expect them to be given to you free of charge? Where's the business sense in that? Unless you just want 1 or 2 free slots? But that begs the question what do you do when you've developed them? Reroll?

pamelf · Jul 04, 2007, 01:11 PM // 13:11

Sure it would take me 1 month to take a new character through all three campaigns if I didn't work or have a social life, which thankfully I do. You also assume that I have never used the online store to purchase a character slot, which I have.

My point was simply that new character slots are essential to taking a new character through the game. And taking new characters through is the only way that the game will stay interesting for many players. We're already being charged the extra money it would cost to have a new character slot in the cost of the expansion, and thus they would be getting my money as I would purchase GW:EN.

There are many, many people out there who feel that with GW:EN they will simply not be getting their money's worth, and it is those people, not just me, that you told should maybe think about trying another game. Your whole last paragraph simply showed that you didn't understand what I stated in what you quoted. It has nothing to do with us personally playing together, but it has everything to do with the fact that the life of GW relies on everyone continuing to purchase it. Therefore "if I keep playing, you keep playing." It's a figure of speech.

Seissor · Jul 04, 2007, 01:16 PM // 13:16

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Originally Posted by acidic

It should be no more than $29.99 for what GWEN offers compared to what the other campaigns offered and their debut price. I don't remember any 'expansion' being this expensive, and I played a lot of RTS & rpg.

Consider the extra 10 dollar price tag a trade off for NO monthly fee's ever!

Razorwood · Jul 04, 2007, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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Originally Posted by pamelf

Sure it would take me 1 month to take a new character through all three campaigns if I didn't work or have a social life, which thankfully I do.

Maybe you don't play much, but I know people that have beaten one of the games in less than one week. And the more you do it the faster you get to the end.

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Originally Posted by pamelf

You also assume that I have never used the online store to purchase a character slot, which I have.

Yes you're right I did assume that, from what I read.

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Originally Posted by pamelf

We're already being charged the extra money it would cost to have a new character slot in the cost of the expansion, and thus they would be getting my money as I would purchase GW:EN.

What extra money? Gw:En is CHEAPER than Prop / Factions and Nightfall were at launch. I thought the money we were paying for Gw:En was to cover the developement of the expansion. Not for character slots.

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Originally Posted by pamelf

There are many, many people out there who feel that with GW:EN they will simply not be getting their money's worth, and it is those people, not just me, that you told should maybe think about trying another game.

You've just strengthened my point then, if you don't feel like you are getting your moneys worth simply don't buy it. No one is forcing you to.

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Originally Posted by pamelf

Your whole last paragraph simply showed that you didn't understand what I stated in what you quoted. It has nothing to do with us personally playing together, but it has everything to do with the fact that the life of GW relies on everyone continuing to purchase it. Therefore "if I keep playing, you keep playing." It's a figure of speech.

The life of GW relies on everyone continuing to play? That's what heros and henchmen are for, unless i'm suppost to wait in an empty mission town for hours on end hoping someone will turn up.

What is it you are continuing to purchase? The only things people can really continue to purchase are character slots and you want those for free. Almost everything else is a one off purchase for the average player.

So can we agree that the only thing most people will continue to purchase are character slots? And if so how is giving them away free with Gw:En good business sense? when they are charging less than they did for a full game.

Jongo River · Jul 04, 2007, 01:58 PM // 13:58

The price on Amazon UK and Play.com is £17.99 - that's identical to the price they both charged for Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall, on release.

Realistically, I never expected it to be cheaper than that, but it does kind of kill the cost vs slots argument for UK buyers.

Razorwood · Jul 04, 2007, 02:04 PM // 14:04

Well the RRP for all 3 in the UK was £29.99 it's up to retailer if they sell below that.